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who elected barack obama. >> right. the gifts argument. i think there has been a split on the language of this, whether or not the actual ideals of it. the language, split since romney lost and made his little gifts comment after the election. >> bill: that obama won by handing out gifts to the constituencies. >> minorities, women. just gave them -- best example is gave women contraception for their votes. that's potentially -- basically what they said. sununu yesterday or i guess it was tuesday night said that he said the same thing. he was like if you look at this, it wasn't about message. we didn't lose because of message. we lost because -- >> bill: didn't lose because they had a lousy candidate. >> we lost because of the hold-in to obama and what they can give him. >> bill: they're just in denial, right? >> what's interesting about this is with romney specifically has been after that 47% video came out, the pathway romney went through of first saying i do kind of stand by it. i didn't say it exactl
the election win. does that mean president obama wins the debate on the fiscal cliff? >> i think in the end he will get what's the most important thing to him which is the 98%. could he be more clear bill? that's the one nonnegotiable thing. he's saying this is the one thing i want. therefore, everything else, maybe he can't deal on. yeah, there's a lot of ways you could take care of ensuring that the wealthiest still get many breaks but this is one the tax rate break that the president doesn't want to give. i find it fascinating that when the republicans as they did yesterday put out a counteroffer, they might be proud new republicans have signed on. i remember this whole debate is only about finding 30 or 40 republicans to go with the democrats to make the 218 majority. it is not about converting everyone who signed a grover norquist pledge. this whole thing is about finding 30 or 40 republicans. >> bill: which means of course they have to bring it up for a vote. they could vote. with that, we'll have to pic
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